Sam: How do you describe, this self illusion? Where are people, apparently, stuck? Cause contracted energy is one interesting way of describing what this is like.

Jim: Well it is revealed in how it falls apart, and this is just a story, it has no, no helpful quality to it at all, to know this.

But when it falls apart, what is revealed is there’s a contracted energy in the body. And the first thing that arises out of that, is a sense of ‘here’.

‘Here’ is then the first thing that seems to be known and it feels very, secure in a way, comforting.
There is something, real.

And out of that ‘here’-ness comes an experiential center, an illusory experiential center; “I am here”. From that arises the entire story, that this appearance is connected, in a real way, and that is called my life.

And part of that need that arises when I have a life, is one of meaning and purpose, and the need to know.